An apology

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Postby Taross » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:54 am

Last night I posted quite a number of things in response to the whole no-porn-sprays going on.
I could give quite a number of excuses, but the fact remains that I was annoyed, sleepy, cranky and pissed at some people (not even on this forum). By all rights I should have put the keyboard down and stepped away from the internet. I didn't.

Now, a number of the things I posted still stands. The clan is for the largest part non-furry, etc... I said it all before, and some of the non-fur members can be even bigger dicks than you want to imagine.

Also, that I care about my own fun and the rest be damned? Let me try and clarify that statement.
On an average day I have about an hour or so to sit down and play a game. This being a game I buy, I would like to have some fun with it, too. Online gaming with other people means that you have to share your fun, and sometimes you'll be in a situation where you won't have any.
If I get my head ventilated or my back turns into a spy-knife repository time after time, I'm not having fun, but I can grin and bear it. Here's hoping the next map'll go better for me.

If I get online and I have to go through three issues of 'he said, she said' and 'this doesn't work' and 'we don't want to play normally, turn off gravity plz' before I can actually do anything... I'm not having fun. And this kind of no-fun doesn't have much of a chance to turn around with the next map.
I mean, where does it say that as one of the mods I have to put my gaming experience on a subordinate level of your gaming experience? Granted, there's a responsibility to make things run properly, get rid of unwanted elements, etc...
Lately I've been going to different servers altogether to have a nice little no-melee only, no gravity 10 bout of mindless FPS-ing, and that's just plain unneccesary.

So, yeah. I'm sorry that I wrote down a lot of things in a nasty and practically troll-like manner, and if I had just gone to bed and wrote out a reply ~today~ after thinking things over, I would probably not have made that much of an ass out of myself. Here's a free pass to say I had my butt up my arse, once.

I'm still sticking to stepping down, though. At this point my own behavior and mostly the non-support of the other mods are giving me the feeling I only have a few options to proceed with here:
- I can roll over and roll back what I wanted to achieve, something I still stand by. I don't mind porn, I look at it just the same as anyone else, but I also feel it shouldn't need to be pushed on people. But if I roll over and fold I can really never actually enforce a rule into being as 'main' moderator. All it takes is the threat of people leaving to make me buckle.
- I can ban everyone who disagrees. Yeah, way to go there. I don't have to explain why that is an undersirable course of action.
- I step down. I am not going to compromise on my beliefs, but I am also not going to force them on all of you. I'll still be playing, I'll still go 'oooh' at the occasional tasteful -if risky- spray. But the server won't be flying a FOR banner anymore, making me the point of contact for everyone to dump anything they don't like on.

Witchiebunny has offered to take over from here, and I don't know if she and Endeavor have already hashed things out. It's up to her if I even stay a mod after the switch, but if she leaves me on I'll be working to /her/ rules, not mine.
Also, like I said, I'm not going to pull the plug on keeping the EU side server open and available for more private matches, practice sessions or even award grinding if you feel the mood. I'm hoping we can all resolve this with a minimal of fuss and no hard feelings.

Again, I'm sorry.
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Postby Witchiebunny » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:00 pm

I'll respond to this fully after I have a chance to talk to Endeavour3d and such, but I will note, Pony, I haven't pulled your modship on the forums...that's telling.

I, for one, accept your apology.
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Postby Purplecat » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:21 pm

I'm honestly considering to lock and unsticky (not deleting) the rules thread, and start a new one after all that dramafest. I admit that I'm happy that this back and forth drama is finally over.

I wasn't awake earlier today, so I pretty much missed most of what was going on. I saw that you IM'd me sometimes after I fell asleep. It probably looked like I was still playing Team Fortress 2... but I really only forgot to close the program for the night, so sorry if this looked like I was ignoring you.

I think part of the problem was the US server being marked as a FOR server, despite that most of the playerbase was people from CC2 and therefore furry in nature. And I can understand that non-furry FOR members would feel alienated by... the liberal policy of the US server. So Taross, while I was admittly pissed off at you at some point, I still respected you and tried to act civil and respectful as possible about it.

And of course, I accept your apology.
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Postby Echoen » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:50 am

I know I probably didn't help matters that much, and I'm sorry too.

But, really. How many times can one miss what is (to me, at least) glaringly obvious?

"shouldn't need to be pushed on people."

How exactly, is telling the complainers to turn off sprays if they don't like what they see, NOT an option? None of this would have happened, then. None of this. I just don't understand how this could lead to you stepping down. It just boggles my mind. It's like... if the kid next to you is complaining that the room smells, instead of telling him to hold his nose, you drop out of school!
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Postby Dark Lucario » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:51 pm

Actually...I'd like to apologize as well. Comparing you to CC, even in the theoretical and extreme, was wrong. I apologize, you are a nice person, and did not deserve to have that shadow cast over you.
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Postby Atchhoat » Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:13 am

*claps* Well it seems as if everyone has cooled down, and everyone is ok with it. Can say it's closed? So...in the words of the immortal Duke...FRAG ON!
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