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Postby Pathia » Fri May 15, 2009 10:19 pm

Here's a rant of mine. It's from FA originally. A note, I'm speaking of SOCIAL conservatism here, not fiscal/monetary/economically speaking. If it's too intense, feel free to delete it mods/admins. Some things in my life have again reared their head and made this rant relevant to me.

I'm going to speak in broad terms and generalizations and I don't mean offense, but I'll likely cause some. Just because you yourself put you in the category I am discussing, does not mean my comments pertain to you specifically, because everyone's views are unique and fluid.

However, having said that! Seriously, this boggles my mind. Especially since I was once in their number a few years ago. A conservative socially, yet I would go home and download tons of gender-screwy porn. Then turn around and rail against 'special rights' for the very thing I was attracted to at times. Exactly how does this work? It didn't work for me and eventually my mind had a segfault and I reformatted my politics.

Conservatism fiscally with this is easy, no problem, money is money. However, the social conservatism seems to be such a paradox I can't really figure it out. The way I explained it when I was in this group was to not explain it, or get pissed off and storm off. I mean, even Clarence Thomas is OK hate crimes laws.

Incidentally, my personal view is similar to Clarence Thomas, which is that that hate crimes are a separate charge, something akin to a terrorist act. If you assault/kill someone because you hate a particular class of people, you are not just attacking a random person, you are attacking a particular segment of the population in an effort to incite terror and express your qualification of that segment as nonhuman. Particularly as they tend to be violent. There, to me, is a difference between a random stabbing that leaves someone dead and a random stabbing that involves gutting the victim, cutting off their genitals and stuffing them in the victim's mouth (Seems to be a trend in some trans-killings, that)

Yet these people are completely against all these protections, and God forbid they be in favor of job discrimination protection. The only job any non-normal gendered person is adapted to is sex-work after all, gotta get out those inner desires somehow I guess by forcing their fantasy on others by making sure all opportunities in life are complete stifled.

How do you reconcile your view, with the fact that you have folks like me. Here's what has happened to me in my life. I've been denied employment, insurance, medical aid, abused by people, physically and even one attempted rape. With that last one, when I tried to report it the cops LAUGHED at me over the incident then threaten to arrest *ME* for prostitution to get me to shut the hell up.

Male to female transsexuals can't be raped you see, because they're men and men OBVIOUSLY can't ever be raped, so I was a lying whore and deserved to be locked up for it. In jail, I would have been housed with the men. I have a friend back on the east coast, she was arrested for prostitution/homelessness/loitering and locked up with the men. There, she was raped and she's now HIV positive. We have no idea if it came from that rape, but it's more than likely the cause. The police did not care, did not report, did nothing, again since she's legally male, there's basically no recourse in that state.

That is what people have to go through. I don't want 'special rights'. I just want to be treated like a human being.

Seriously, how the hell do you reconcile a lack of protections for minorities when these very real examples happen, every day with impunity and no recourse? It's not 'special' when we're asking for the same laws to be applied against those that harm us, as those who harm you.
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Postby Purplecat » Fri May 15, 2009 11:59 pm

What some people say and do isn't necessarily what they truly believe, but rather what they believe what others wants to hear. Or even worse, is afraid of being socially rejected because of their personal opinion (if friends would dump you for your political opinions, they might not be real friends.). People need to dare to actually stick out politically and be controversial.

Unfortunately I have no idea about the state of transsexuals in Sweden. All I know is that gay marriage is now legally recognized, and that since fairly recently... you can marry as a gay couple in the church. Prison rape is nearly unheard of, and any rare case of it tend to reach national news...
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Postby Pathia » Sat May 16, 2009 12:14 am

Ailure wrote:What some people say and do isn't necessarily what they truly believe, but rather what they believe what others wants to hear. Or even worse, is afraid of being socially rejected because of their personal opinion (if friends would dump you for your political opinions, they might not be real friends.). People need to dare to actually stick out politically and be controversial.

Unfortunately I have no idea about the state of transsexuals in Sweden. All I know is that gay marriage is now legally recognized, and that since fairly recently... you can marry as a gay couple in the church. Prison rape is nearly unheard of, and any rare case of it tend to reach national news...


Prison rape is so common in the US, people joke about it nonseriously, because it happens so often.
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Postby Purplecat » Sat May 16, 2009 12:18 am

Yeah. I think most remember the "Pound-me-in-the-ass prison" joke from Office space.
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Postby NikkyVix » Sat May 16, 2009 2:22 am

Nudging to the Politics thread..
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Postby Pathia » Sat May 16, 2009 3:26 pm

NikkyVix wrote:Nudging to the Politics thread..



It's sort of politics and ranting, I was sort of torn!

Ailure wrote:Yeah. I think most remember the "Pound-me-in-the-ass prison" joke from Office space.


Oh, it was well before Office Space that it became a joke. Jail has become a joking matter partially because so many freaking people are in it here, the US has one of the highest, if not the highest percentage of it's citizens in jail at any given time compared to other 1st world countries.
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Postby JamesRaynor » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:04 am

Politics in general are very hard to understand, if you were a lawyer you MIGHT have some clue. I mean in general I could make all sorts of educated guesses, but I wouldn't know for sure.
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Postby SplashChick » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:43 pm

Pathia wrote:
NikkyVix wrote:Nudging to the Politics thread..



It's sort of politics and ranting, I was sort of torn!

Ailure wrote:Yeah. I think most remember the "Pound-me-in-the-ass prison" joke from Office space.


Oh, it was well before Office Space that it became a joke. Jail has become a joking matter partially because so many freaking people are in it here, the US has one of the highest, if not the highest percentage of it's citizens in jail at any given time compared to other 1st world countries.

I blame our absurd war on drugs for that. So many people are locked up for possession or other such small charges, it's ridiculous. It's a gigantic waste of money if nothing else.

But on topic, yes, I completely agree. It's sick and disturbing how sexual minorities, especially transgendered ones, are treated in this country. I can't really say it much better than you did, the statistics for how many transgendered people commit suicide, become victims of violent crime, and are homeless are absolutely astounding.
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