People that Suck the Fun out of TF2 #27...

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Postby NikkyVix » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:30 pm

The incessant whiners:

5:02 PM - Bawws McWhineyFurry: I thought the server generally was against stacking?
5:03 PM - Bawws McWhineyFurry: Every time you join a team, Jonesy/Pikacha/Taross/Mirri/Faeon/Echoen all jump in behind you.
5:03 PM - Niko: Umm. Shut up and play.
5:04 PM - Bawws McWhineyFurry: Which are all very good players.
5:04 PM - Bawws McWhineyFurry: Fine, I'll camp a spot too then.
5:04 PM - Niko: You are creating an issue when there is none. If I catch you camping, there'll really be a problem.
5:04 PM - Bawws McWhineyFurry: Alright, then it's a 100% coincidence ratio. Convenient.
5:05 PM - Niko: You are complaining about MY friends joing MY team in a community based on having FRIENDS play together.
5:05 PM - Niko: There is no issue, just you being unduly upset.
5:05 PM - Niko: Play, or go somewhere else.
5:05 PM - Bawws McWhineyFurry: When good players stack and the less good players are forced to join the other team, it defies the fun in playing together.
5:05 PM - Bawws McWhineyFurry: I don't play to win, but if all I do is lose, I don't have any fun

The Irony in this exchange is that it happened after a match in KotH Viaduct where my team was thoroughly trounced by Red, 5 to 0, wherein at least two of the people this furry is complaining about were on my team at the time in addition to Bawws.

Why did we lose, if me plus any of my other pals equals uber-leet dominatory winwinfuntimes?

Poor team decisions, lack of communication, and little sensible playing. And the other team did what they're supposed to do: Cap the point, fight us away from it, have their Engy build a sentry to cover it. That's how you win.

The team Bawws was on in Badwater afterwards did not coordinate and did not speak, just threw themselves at us like Stormtroopers with a death wish, doing stupid things like using no Ubercharges to break a siege, placing three sentries next to one another and completely ignoring the first cap point in order to try and "stop" us on the second, etc.

I've had to make this point before: My friends are not all extremely "pro" players. Hell, they'll tell you such. One of them being complained about now had started playing TF2 for the first time in 5 months recently and is still rusty. Another considers themselves more of a supporting type and prefers to just stay on defense. Another I don't even consider any sort of friend and certainly doesn't try to join my team. Four of the names given weren't even playing TF2 at the time. My friends and I join a team together because we like *playing* together, much like any of you WoW addicts have your friends in the same guild. Skill has nothing to do with it; those who assume such are just bitter, ignorant assholes in my book.

I get this bullshit. Doom gets this bullshit. Most anyone who's "good" at TF2 and/or has lots of friends on their team gets this bullshit on a regular basis. It's mentally exhausting, seeing what degrees some people will go to to blame YOU for their team's failings or convince themselves that their mistakes are a problem you have to fix. If your team is not playing to your expectations or you have made mistakes in gameplay, take it up with them and yourself, acknowledge the fault, and vow to do better if it so matters to you that fun = winning.

In other words, to quote Denzel Washington: "Man up, nigga."
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Postby Faeon » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:35 pm

So just how long has Whiny McBabyfur been playing on the TFP servers, and have they ever actually talked to you before or shown any signs of paying attention? If so you may wish to remind them that half the time the very people he's accusing of stacking will gladly help STT should somebody on a thoroughly-trounced team initiate it. Problem is he, and many of the whiny little crabcakes that inhabit TF2 expect the game to be exactly like Quake or Unreal Tournament; fully dependent on the skill of each individual and with little to no strategy involved whatsoever. Everything is even in those games, the only similarity to TF2 are headshots from sniper rifles. The whole reason TF2 (and the original TF I assume) uses a class-based system is to avoid exactly that. You could have a family of military strategists who've never touched an FPS in their lives, and they would likely still be able to devise strategies and traps the likes of which would make our little "stacked" team cry blood. :P

Also YAYFIRST!! c.c
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Postby Pikacha » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:37 pm

Yaaay, I'm apparently a good player now! -^^- <3

<3 Enjoy everything. <3
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Postby Echoen » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:57 pm

Is Whiney a regular on the servers? Does Whiney communicate with his team? Does Whiney know about the Scramble The Teams function? Does Whiney attempt to play with his friends instead of play with the accused "Good" players? Does Whiney take knowledge of previous rounds lost (IE - Tons of spies? Pyro time! Tons of sentries? Uber time!) and adjust his play to where it's most helpful to the team?

If Whiney can answer no to any of these, buck up or shut up.

Get with the program. Team Fortress 2 has it all in the name - TEAM. Don't want to play TEAM Fortress 2 and instead play My Fortress 2? Go play Half Life and stop harassing my fellow players. Or better yet - get all your bitchy-whiney friends together and try to do to us what you accuse us of doing to you.

In hindsight that's not such a good idea since you have a purpensoity for bitching more than solving problems. If we get you all together in one place, all your whining is going to suck the fun out of everything.
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Postby MaskedJackal » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:39 am

Teams are rarely "stacked" imo. It's just poor communication/coordination that makes it seem like it.
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Postby Sekh765 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:05 am

I read your quote and thought, "Who is this Baaaws person and why have I never seen them before." Then I realized. >>

To quote ellis. It was funny! Then it just got kinda sad, but then it got funny again!

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Postby Purplecat » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:28 am

People rather blame on teamstacking than poor tactics in this game. I seen teams with five snipers, four spies call me out on teamstacking when they really need to balance their team better...

Stacking in skill happens, but it's not true in 90% of the cases I seen.
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Postby Kyle » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:52 pm

Typically the winning team is the one with the most voice communication, particularly with Medics. It's much harder to organize through text chat, since most people don't even read it. This is probably where the complaints come from - since a lot of the regulars here use voice chat and tend to team up. That, and TF2 tends to give the advantage to whichever team starts winning - what with crit boosts in CTF and such.

A good way to help with this might be to turn alltalk on, or allow voting to turn it on. That way, the quiet team won't always get steamrolled. I find it's generally more fun with alltalk on anyway - it discourages excessive competition which can lead to those complaints about team stacking/lag/autobalance/whatever.
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Postby Arcalane » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:01 pm

MaskedJackal wrote:Teams are rarely "stacked" imo. It's just poor communication/coordination that makes it seem like it.


Ed: Kyle; problem with that is, if there's too many people, it just gets into hey guys why are we all talking over each other all I can make out are LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Kyle » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:19 pm

I've seen that in server #5 occasionally, although I think in many cases most of the people with voice are on one team, with maybe one or two people on the other. Plus, you can still mute the annoying people if it gets too noisy.
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